Bruce Norris is joined again this week by Craig
Hill. Craig has been an expert in the
hard money loan business for many years.
He joined the Norris Group when the company began in 1996 and is now
going on 18 years. Bruce and Craig discuss the start of the Norris Group, the trust that is built with a business and its customers, million dollar borrowers versus million dollar investors, the surprise nature of the real estate business, the three pieces to the puzzle of selling a house, and much more on this week's real estate radio show and podcast.
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Friday, July 26, 2013
Craig Hill Joins Bruce Norris on the Real Estate Radio Show #340
Bruce Norris is joined again this week by Craig
Hill. Craig is the underwriter for the
Norris Group’s loan programs. He has
been with the Norris Group since they opened, and he has been in the hard money
loan business for over twenty years. Bruce and Craig discuss the hard money points and fees and the changes made to the programs, loan-to-value, buy and sell, entities in which investors buy properties, credit worthiness, borrower protection, short sales and REOs, the new potential construction lending program for the Norris Group, and much more on this week's real estate radio show and podcast.
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Friday, January 6, 2012
Craig Hill with The Norris Group #259
This week Bruce is joined this week by Craig Hill. Craig has been with The Norris Group since its inception in 1995. He has helped The Norris Group invest in approximately $40 million worth of trust deeds. Bruce and Craig discuss The Norris Group and its process for handling loans, the mood in the market regarding price shifts, their relationship with the borrowers, the idea of passive loans and investing, 9.9%, 12.5%, and 4% loans, high interest yield, and much more on this week's real estate radio show and podcast.
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Friday, April 17, 2009
Tommy Williams with the National Auctioneers Association #118
Bruce Norris is joined once again by past President and current Chairman of the Board for the National Auctioneers Association and co-founder of Williams and Williams Auctions, Tommy Williams.
Bruce starts by asking if there is a different process in selling real estate and cattle. Tommy says there is a slight difference but he’s hoping the audience will still understand. He says cattle auction goes a little faster and is a little more entertaining.
Auto auctions generate close to 50% of the proceeds for auctions. The end buyers are typically dealers. There are both dealer and public auctions but some are only available to dealers.
July 13-18th is an auction reunion in Kansas and Bruce asks who attends. Tommy says over 1,000 auctioneers will attend and bring families. It is the best and main time of year to attend education for the auction industry. Over 60 seminars will be available.
Bruce asks about Tommy’s family history in the auctions business. Tommy says there was a little family history but he fell into it on his own. Tommy’s son Dean is an attorney and didn’t plan to be in the auction industry. Tommy moved the business from Illinois to Oklahoma and Dean visited while in school and ended up later partnering. Tommy says he has six grandkids and he thinks a few might be interested in the business.
Bruce talks about the model Williams and Williams has chosen and how it is different from other auction houses. Tommy says online auctions are a very viable way to sell items and Williams and Williams does conduct online auctions. However, Tommy says a property will earn 10% more on the lawn then it will bring online or in a ballroom setting. It’s significant and matters. There is more expense in having these types of auctions.
Tommy describes the difference between absolute and seller reserve auctions. Tommy says the absolute auction is by far the best and motivates the buyer to the ultimate level of bidding. It also attracts the most attendance which is key for the best price. Tommy says many can’t stomach absolute so more are sold with reserve.
Tommy says it not impossible for very experienced auctioneers make mistakes. It’s complicated and not as easy it may look. Advertising has definitely changed over the years. The newspaper has dropped in value each and every day and online advertising has gotten more important. The auction companies track the marketing process very carefully to see where most people are seeing the information.
Tommy says when the word “sold” is uttered, in an absolute auction, it is the most binding contract you can enter into. It is different in a seller reserve. Bruce talks about dealing with deposits in real estate now and how difficult closing can become. Tommy says he thinks 10% down should be at stake to make sure the buyers are truly qualified. Tommy says he doesn’t like the current way real estate is sold because of these issues as buyers can tie up your property will no ramifications if they don’t come through.
Tommy describes how the auction business is commissioned. Williams and Williams gets commissioned directly from the seller. Some lenders require, however, a buyer’s premium. Many more auctions are charging buyers but Tommy actually likes charging the seller. He thinks the buyers see the auction in a more positive light and the premium isn’t seen as a tax on their purchase.
Bruce asks about Tommy dealing with lower priced areas. Tommy says there are minimum fees that must be charged. There does become a point where auctions can’t sell a property because it doesn’t cover the fees.
Bruce talks about lenders not foreclosing on properties because there is more owned on the property then it is worth so lenders don’t do anything with it. Tommy says this issue is really serious and most people aren’t hearing about. Tommy says he’s seen some neighborhoods where 80% of the neighborhood is vacant. There’s almost no choice but to tear them down as they become magnets for vandalism, squatters, and drug labs. Bruce says it doesn’t even have to be an old areas and Tommy sounds surprised. Tommy says that’s why these homes have to be given occupants whether they are investors or owner occupants. Empty properties are not good for neighborhoods.
Bruce talks about Orange County and the FDIC leasing space to set up shop to deal with assets. He asks if Tommy has heard of that and if Williams and Williams were involved in the RTC situation. Tommy says they were slightly involved with the RTC but dealing with government is difficult. Tommy had not heard of the offices being rented in Orange County. Tommy is worried the FDIC will warehouse the properties and it will make the problem worse.
Bruce brings up a new term he saw on the Williams and Williams website called “auction referral cooperative.” Tommy says this is a way to establish a network of like-minded auctioneers that refer one another. There’s no financial obligation and they are simply looking for other auctioneers of the same mind and there’s a referral fee involved.
Thank you Tommy as always for joining us on the show. We look forward to seeing you again this year on September 11th, 2009 for I Survived Real Estate 2009. See more on Williams and Williams at Williamsauction.com.
Tommy served as President of the National Auctioneers Association in 2008 and is current Chairman of the Board. Tommy also graciously took part in I Survived Real Estate 2008 last year.
Thomas L. Williams is a graduate of Penn State University (B.S. Animal Science) and the Certified Auctioneers Institute (CAI). Representing the third generation of Williams family auctioneers dating back to the mid-1800s, Williams is also a graduate of the historic Reppert School of Auctioneering. He has over 40 years experience in real estate auctions, land development and real estate investment. He currently serves as President of the National Auctioneers Association.
A founding partner of Williams & Williams, Williams served as president from 1986-2000, and became board chairman in 2001. He also co-founded and served as managing partner of Lowderman & Williams Auctioneers from 1965-85. He has conducted over 10,000 auctions in all 48 of the contiguous United States and Canada, and is an advisor to auctions conducted throughout Western Europe, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
An avid cattleman, Williams also owned and operated Bradmar Angus Farms from 1965-85, after which he continued to serve as a herd and genetics consultant for many of the nation's premier Angus cattle breeders.
Williams is a licensed auctioneer and real estate broker in over 20 states, and an active member of the National Association of Realtors.
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Bruce starts by asking if there is a different process in selling real estate and cattle. Tommy says there is a slight difference but he’s hoping the audience will still understand. He says cattle auction goes a little faster and is a little more entertaining.
Auto auctions generate close to 50% of the proceeds for auctions. The end buyers are typically dealers. There are both dealer and public auctions but some are only available to dealers.
July 13-18th is an auction reunion in Kansas and Bruce asks who attends. Tommy says over 1,000 auctioneers will attend and bring families. It is the best and main time of year to attend education for the auction industry. Over 60 seminars will be available.
Bruce asks about Tommy’s family history in the auctions business. Tommy says there was a little family history but he fell into it on his own. Tommy’s son Dean is an attorney and didn’t plan to be in the auction industry. Tommy moved the business from Illinois to Oklahoma and Dean visited while in school and ended up later partnering. Tommy says he has six grandkids and he thinks a few might be interested in the business.
Bruce talks about the model Williams and Williams has chosen and how it is different from other auction houses. Tommy says online auctions are a very viable way to sell items and Williams and Williams does conduct online auctions. However, Tommy says a property will earn 10% more on the lawn then it will bring online or in a ballroom setting. It’s significant and matters. There is more expense in having these types of auctions.
Tommy describes the difference between absolute and seller reserve auctions. Tommy says the absolute auction is by far the best and motivates the buyer to the ultimate level of bidding. It also attracts the most attendance which is key for the best price. Tommy says many can’t stomach absolute so more are sold with reserve.
Tommy says it not impossible for very experienced auctioneers make mistakes. It’s complicated and not as easy it may look. Advertising has definitely changed over the years. The newspaper has dropped in value each and every day and online advertising has gotten more important. The auction companies track the marketing process very carefully to see where most people are seeing the information.
Tommy says when the word “sold” is uttered, in an absolute auction, it is the most binding contract you can enter into. It is different in a seller reserve. Bruce talks about dealing with deposits in real estate now and how difficult closing can become. Tommy says he thinks 10% down should be at stake to make sure the buyers are truly qualified. Tommy says he doesn’t like the current way real estate is sold because of these issues as buyers can tie up your property will no ramifications if they don’t come through.
Tommy describes how the auction business is commissioned. Williams and Williams gets commissioned directly from the seller. Some lenders require, however, a buyer’s premium. Many more auctions are charging buyers but Tommy actually likes charging the seller. He thinks the buyers see the auction in a more positive light and the premium isn’t seen as a tax on their purchase.
Bruce asks about Tommy dealing with lower priced areas. Tommy says there are minimum fees that must be charged. There does become a point where auctions can’t sell a property because it doesn’t cover the fees.
Bruce talks about lenders not foreclosing on properties because there is more owned on the property then it is worth so lenders don’t do anything with it. Tommy says this issue is really serious and most people aren’t hearing about. Tommy says he’s seen some neighborhoods where 80% of the neighborhood is vacant. There’s almost no choice but to tear them down as they become magnets for vandalism, squatters, and drug labs. Bruce says it doesn’t even have to be an old areas and Tommy sounds surprised. Tommy says that’s why these homes have to be given occupants whether they are investors or owner occupants. Empty properties are not good for neighborhoods.
Bruce talks about Orange County and the FDIC leasing space to set up shop to deal with assets. He asks if Tommy has heard of that and if Williams and Williams were involved in the RTC situation. Tommy says they were slightly involved with the RTC but dealing with government is difficult. Tommy had not heard of the offices being rented in Orange County. Tommy is worried the FDIC will warehouse the properties and it will make the problem worse.
Bruce brings up a new term he saw on the Williams and Williams website called “auction referral cooperative.” Tommy says this is a way to establish a network of like-minded auctioneers that refer one another. There’s no financial obligation and they are simply looking for other auctioneers of the same mind and there’s a referral fee involved.
Thank you Tommy as always for joining us on the show. We look forward to seeing you again this year on September 11th, 2009 for I Survived Real Estate 2009. See more on Williams and Williams at Williamsauction.com.
Tommy served as President of the National Auctioneers Association in 2008 and is current Chairman of the Board. Tommy also graciously took part in I Survived Real Estate 2008 last year.
Thomas L. Williams is a graduate of Penn State University (B.S. Animal Science) and the Certified Auctioneers Institute (CAI). Representing the third generation of Williams family auctioneers dating back to the mid-1800s, Williams is also a graduate of the historic Reppert School of Auctioneering. He has over 40 years experience in real estate auctions, land development and real estate investment. He currently serves as President of the National Auctioneers Association.
A founding partner of Williams & Williams, Williams served as president from 1986-2000, and became board chairman in 2001. He also co-founded and served as managing partner of Lowderman & Williams Auctioneers from 1965-85. He has conducted over 10,000 auctions in all 48 of the contiguous United States and Canada, and is an advisor to auctions conducted throughout Western Europe, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
An avid cattleman, Williams also owned and operated Bradmar Angus Farms from 1965-85, after which he continued to serve as a herd and genetics consultant for many of the nation's premier Angus cattle breeders.
Williams is a licensed auctioneer and real estate broker in over 20 states, and an active member of the National Association of Realtors.
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Friday, April 10, 2009
Tommy Williams with the National Auctioneers Association #117
Bruce Norris is joined this week by past President and current Chairman of the Board for the National Auctioneers Association and co-founder of Williams and Williams Auctions, Tommy Williams.
Bruce starts the interview by asking what auction companies miss out on when they aren’t members of the National Auctioneers Association. Tommy says non members miss out of networking, best practices, and education which furthers their professional endeavors. April 18th is national auction day and Tommy would like auctioneers to make communities aware of the benefit that auctions bring to the community. Auctions have the huge benefit of establishing market value on a certain day for numerous products and assets. They also might highlight their charity work in the community through charity auctions. Tommy feels the media picks up too much negative information about auctions and doesn’t highlight all the positives.
Bruce says he read that auctions raise as much money for charities that is sold in real estate and Tommy says that is true. Tommy says auctioneers bring a very important piece of expertise to nonprofit organizations.
Bruce asks if Realtors view auctions as competitors or partners and Tommy thinks too many see auctions as competitors. Tommy says there is fear that auctions establish market value and sometimes people don’t want to really know that actual value. The real estate community wants to not take the hit. Bruce says he’s baulked at final bids before and most times he paid for not selling at that time. Tommy says all of us have been in that situation. Usually, the public will tell the truth and auctions are the best barometer for prices and it will also tell you where price trends are going.
Bruce asks if women are getting more involved in auctions. Tommy says this is a growing trend as it used to be a male dominated field. Tommy says 20-30% of classes for auctions are now women.
Bruce asks about legislative issues that are affecting auctions in general. Tommy says that when legislation postpones the sale of assets it usually means there will be net price deterioration. Real estate is very fragile and unattended and vacant homes tend to lose value.
Bruce says Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac postponed auctions for their properties but in April have started back up. Doing this moratorium cost them money. Tommy says their unwillingness to accept market value has cost them millions. The more they postpone, the worse it will get.
Bruce says he read the auction magazine that in the last few years $270 billion worth of assets were sold. Tommy says this is not a record but getting close. There’s been steady growth in the total dollar sold at auction. 2008 saw prices for assets decline so volume went up but prices were down due to devaluation. So in volume, 2007 and 2008 were record setting years.
Bruce talks about trustee sales and how the lack of advertising doesn’t help the cause. Bruce asks if the National Auctioneers Association has any intent to try and get involved in the trustee sale process. Tommy says that was one of his main goals as President was to do away with the traditional foreclosure process. If the home was sold at the trustee sale to an end user it would save the mortgage holder at least $15,000 in transaction fees. This is not including price declines. This would be of huge benefit to the mortgage industry as a new loan with a new end user would immediately take the property.
Bruce talks about current laws and issues of cities hiring people solely to write fines to homes that are considered blight and that are violating codes. Tommy worries that these types of laws only makes lenders not excited to loan which further exacerbates the lending policies we currently face. No one will want to lend in these areas.
Bruce asks Tommy if he’s nervous about a shift in the American perspective. Tommy says he is concerned that capitalism and private enterprise is something that Americans are now wondering if they should be in favor of. Bruce says he’s concerned as well for some of the things that he’s seen and hopes we can solve some of these issues soon. At “I Survived Real Estate 2008” several solutions were presented but none have been implemented. Bruce things banks could save themselves so much time and money by doing so.
Tommy talks about his pre-foreclosure auction concept. Some Realtors are doing something very similar without approval. Tommy says they’ve implemented something very similar in their company and they’ve tried it out with consumers. As soon as a consumer was falling behind, Williams and Williams worked with the consumer to present the property to the public as well as possible. The final offer was presented to the lender. However, the loan servicer is typically the decision maker and is far removed from the actual decision maker. The goal needs to be lenders getting rid of this stuff as soon as possible to get things moving. This particular solutions gets a new person in the home right away.
For more information visit williamsauction.com or thenorrisgroup.com. Join us next week for part two with Tommy Williams.
Tommy served as President of the National Auctioneers Association in 2008 and is current Chairman of the Board. Tommy also graciously took part in I Survived Real Estate 2008 last year.
Thomas L. Williams is a graduate of Penn State University (B.S. Animal Science) and the Certified Auctioneers Institute (CAI). Representing the third generation of Williams family auctioneers dating back to the mid-1800s, Williams is also a graduate of the historic Reppert School of Auctioneering. He has over 40 years experience in real estate auctions, land development and real estate investment. He currently serves as President of the National Auctioneers Association.
A founding partner of Williams & Williams, Williams served as president from 1986-2000, and became board chairman in 2001. He also co-founded and served as managing partner of Lowderman & Williams Auctioneers from 1965-85. He has conducted over 10,000 auctions in all 48 of the contiguous United States and Canada, and is an advisor to auctions conducted throughout Western Europe, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
An avid cattleman, Williams also owned and operated Bradmar Angus Farms from 1965-85, after which he continued to serve as a herd and genetics consultant for many of the nation's premier Angus cattle breeders.
Williams is a licensed auctioneer and real estate broker in over 20 states, and an active member of the National Association of Realtors.
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Bruce starts the interview by asking what auction companies miss out on when they aren’t members of the National Auctioneers Association. Tommy says non members miss out of networking, best practices, and education which furthers their professional endeavors. April 18th is national auction day and Tommy would like auctioneers to make communities aware of the benefit that auctions bring to the community. Auctions have the huge benefit of establishing market value on a certain day for numerous products and assets. They also might highlight their charity work in the community through charity auctions. Tommy feels the media picks up too much negative information about auctions and doesn’t highlight all the positives.
Bruce says he read that auctions raise as much money for charities that is sold in real estate and Tommy says that is true. Tommy says auctioneers bring a very important piece of expertise to nonprofit organizations.
Bruce asks if Realtors view auctions as competitors or partners and Tommy thinks too many see auctions as competitors. Tommy says there is fear that auctions establish market value and sometimes people don’t want to really know that actual value. The real estate community wants to not take the hit. Bruce says he’s baulked at final bids before and most times he paid for not selling at that time. Tommy says all of us have been in that situation. Usually, the public will tell the truth and auctions are the best barometer for prices and it will also tell you where price trends are going.
Bruce asks if women are getting more involved in auctions. Tommy says this is a growing trend as it used to be a male dominated field. Tommy says 20-30% of classes for auctions are now women.
Bruce asks about legislative issues that are affecting auctions in general. Tommy says that when legislation postpones the sale of assets it usually means there will be net price deterioration. Real estate is very fragile and unattended and vacant homes tend to lose value.
Bruce says Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac postponed auctions for their properties but in April have started back up. Doing this moratorium cost them money. Tommy says their unwillingness to accept market value has cost them millions. The more they postpone, the worse it will get.
Bruce says he read the auction magazine that in the last few years $270 billion worth of assets were sold. Tommy says this is not a record but getting close. There’s been steady growth in the total dollar sold at auction. 2008 saw prices for assets decline so volume went up but prices were down due to devaluation. So in volume, 2007 and 2008 were record setting years.
Bruce talks about trustee sales and how the lack of advertising doesn’t help the cause. Bruce asks if the National Auctioneers Association has any intent to try and get involved in the trustee sale process. Tommy says that was one of his main goals as President was to do away with the traditional foreclosure process. If the home was sold at the trustee sale to an end user it would save the mortgage holder at least $15,000 in transaction fees. This is not including price declines. This would be of huge benefit to the mortgage industry as a new loan with a new end user would immediately take the property.
Bruce talks about current laws and issues of cities hiring people solely to write fines to homes that are considered blight and that are violating codes. Tommy worries that these types of laws only makes lenders not excited to loan which further exacerbates the lending policies we currently face. No one will want to lend in these areas.
Bruce asks Tommy if he’s nervous about a shift in the American perspective. Tommy says he is concerned that capitalism and private enterprise is something that Americans are now wondering if they should be in favor of. Bruce says he’s concerned as well for some of the things that he’s seen and hopes we can solve some of these issues soon. At “I Survived Real Estate 2008” several solutions were presented but none have been implemented. Bruce things banks could save themselves so much time and money by doing so.
Tommy talks about his pre-foreclosure auction concept. Some Realtors are doing something very similar without approval. Tommy says they’ve implemented something very similar in their company and they’ve tried it out with consumers. As soon as a consumer was falling behind, Williams and Williams worked with the consumer to present the property to the public as well as possible. The final offer was presented to the lender. However, the loan servicer is typically the decision maker and is far removed from the actual decision maker. The goal needs to be lenders getting rid of this stuff as soon as possible to get things moving. This particular solutions gets a new person in the home right away.
For more information visit williamsauction.com or thenorrisgroup.com. Join us next week for part two with Tommy Williams.
Tommy served as President of the National Auctioneers Association in 2008 and is current Chairman of the Board. Tommy also graciously took part in I Survived Real Estate 2008 last year.
Thomas L. Williams is a graduate of Penn State University (B.S. Animal Science) and the Certified Auctioneers Institute (CAI). Representing the third generation of Williams family auctioneers dating back to the mid-1800s, Williams is also a graduate of the historic Reppert School of Auctioneering. He has over 40 years experience in real estate auctions, land development and real estate investment. He currently serves as President of the National Auctioneers Association.
A founding partner of Williams & Williams, Williams served as president from 1986-2000, and became board chairman in 2001. He also co-founded and served as managing partner of Lowderman & Williams Auctioneers from 1965-85. He has conducted over 10,000 auctions in all 48 of the contiguous United States and Canada, and is an advisor to auctions conducted throughout Western Europe, South Africa, Australia and New Zealand.
An avid cattleman, Williams also owned and operated Bradmar Angus Farms from 1965-85, after which he continued to serve as a herd and genetics consultant for many of the nation's premier Angus cattle breeders.
Williams is a licensed auctioneer and real estate broker in over 20 states, and an active member of the National Association of Realtors.
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Friday, March 27, 2009
Joseph Magdziarz of the Appraisal Institute #115
Bruce Norris is joined again by upcoming 2011 President of the National Appraisal Institute, Joseph Magdziarz.
Bruce asks Joseph why he’s teaching appraisal courses in foreign countries. Joseph says numerous foreign countries are asking for the education so they can find out how to write an appraisal that could be understood globally. This will allow them to participate in the global mortgage market.
Joseph says the ultimate goal of an appraisal is to assign a value of an asset in the now. An acceptable margin of error for an appraisal is 3% but no more than 5%. The definition of market value is a buyer and seller under no undue stimulus coming to an agreement on a price to be paid for an asset. Joseph talks about REOs and short sales and how they should not be factored in to appraisals as they are liquidation prices.
Bruce beings up this appraisal issue which investors are having to deal with when they purchase these types of homes and then repaire them in California. Joseph says the banks should not consider REOs and short sales market value because of the repairs being done and the risk the investor takes in this market. Bruce asks if the new buyer of a fixed home is setting the new market value. Joseph says in the open market, it should but the appraisal might be different because of all glut of REO comps. Often times, appraisers are not being fair and many properties are being undervalued which is a problem.
Bruce brings up the typical scenario of The Norris Group when dealing with appraisals in the current California real estate market. TNG purchases the distressed, “as is” property from auction or from an REO agent and spends time and money upgrading the property. If TNG gets multiple offers, why isn’t it considered market value?
Joseph says competent appraisers will say that that does create market value. Submitting those back up offers could really help force the appraisers make that market adjustment.
Bruce asks if there is no similar inventory, what should investors do? Joseph says hire someone with specific experience with an MAI or SRA designation. Bruce talks about an area in Moreno Valley and the glut of vacant REO and “as is” inventory. When TNG fixes something, the appraiser is typically not getting cooperation because there is no similar substitutions in the market. We’re the only fixed up property.
Bruce talks about the appraisal business in 2004-2005 and how they were feeling pressure to get to a certain high number for refinances. Bruce asks if there is now the opposite pressure from banks wanting to loan less thinking the value will continue to decline.
Joseph says lenders can make loans in a declining market at today’s value and shouldn’t feel like there’s excessive risk if there are the three C’s: collateral, capacity to pay, and credit rating. Joseph says he heard that appraisers were using foreclosure and short sales and these DO NOT make market value so are inappropriate. Liquidation value is a better term for these types of inventory.
Bruce brings up review appraisals and how the original appraisers are worried about coming in too high for fear of being blacklisted from doing work for a certain account if the numbers are adjusted. Bruce asks about the review appraisal process and what authority they have to adjust prices the way they do. Joseph says these review appraisals have to come up with their own opinion but to arbitrarily adjust a number up or down 10% without just cause would be a violation. Many times these reviewers are not following the same license laws the appraisers are required to follow. Appraisers could ask for the review appraiser to send to them the review but most probably won’t. They are entitled to a copy of the review appraisal.
Bruce asks if the review appraiser goes out into the field. Joseph says they often do the review behind a desk using AVM. This is not the same and is just an estimate. Joseph says many lenders might be looking for quick and cheap. Joseph says the lending institution or review company they pay does the review appraisal which is also causing a problem.
Bruce asks how difficult it is for appraisers to work in a market with such wide swings in price, sometimes monthly. Joseph says he doesn’t know how they work in states like California. He says only the best people should be doing these appraisals. People need to use a professional appraisers and not AVMs or BPOs.
Bruce asks if there are new rules for appraisals coming down the pike. Joseph say the Home Valuation Code of Conduct (HVCC) says any new loans that are purchased has to have an appraisal and any existing can be less than that. A borrower is also required to get a copy of the appraisal. Joseph said the use of management companies is causing a problem because they are keeping part of the fees that should go to the appraisers so they may be spending less time doing a proper job.
Joseph says an appraisal is typically good for six months but in this market, it’s not as relevant. Bruce asks about improvements on homes above and beyond like pools and upgraded hardscaping. In an inactive market, it’s very difficult to assign a value to these extras. An appraisal will have to try and find similar comps. In this type of market, it is possible for these extras to result in little extra value.
Bruce asks about “standard 3.” Joseph says they are 10 sets of rules that govern the appraisal industry. For more information, visit appraisalinstitute.org.
Joseph C. Magdziarz, MAI, SRA is the 2009 vice president of the Appraisal Institute. He will become the president elect in 2010 and president of the Appraisal Institute in 2011.
Magdziarz has been an active member of the Appraisal Institute for 38 years. He has served in a variety of capacities at all levels of the organization.
At the regional level, Magdziarz has served two terms as Regional Vice Chair and two terms as Region III Chair. He has also been a regional representative for many years. On the national level, Magdziarz served two terms on the Appraisal Institute’s National Board of Directors. He has served as Chair of the Education Committee for five years and has also chaired the National Audit Committee, Instructor and Faculty Committees, and Education and Publications Committees. In addition, he has served on a number of project teams. Presently, he is serving on the ADAPT (MAI demonstration report alternative) project team and the International Education and Designation project team.
Magdziarz has been President of Appraisal Research, Inc. in Rockford, Illinois for 38 years. He resides in Rockford, Illinois with his wife Sandra of 41 years and his bulldog Bella.
Magdziarz is an approved Appraisal Institute instructor for 26 courses in the Appraisal Institute’s QE, AE, CE, and USPAP curriculums. He has also had international assignments in Naples, Italy; Istanbul, Turkey; Seoul, South Korea; and Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai, China.
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Bruce asks Joseph why he’s teaching appraisal courses in foreign countries. Joseph says numerous foreign countries are asking for the education so they can find out how to write an appraisal that could be understood globally. This will allow them to participate in the global mortgage market.
Joseph says the ultimate goal of an appraisal is to assign a value of an asset in the now. An acceptable margin of error for an appraisal is 3% but no more than 5%. The definition of market value is a buyer and seller under no undue stimulus coming to an agreement on a price to be paid for an asset. Joseph talks about REOs and short sales and how they should not be factored in to appraisals as they are liquidation prices.
Bruce beings up this appraisal issue which investors are having to deal with when they purchase these types of homes and then repaire them in California. Joseph says the banks should not consider REOs and short sales market value because of the repairs being done and the risk the investor takes in this market. Bruce asks if the new buyer of a fixed home is setting the new market value. Joseph says in the open market, it should but the appraisal might be different because of all glut of REO comps. Often times, appraisers are not being fair and many properties are being undervalued which is a problem.
Bruce brings up the typical scenario of The Norris Group when dealing with appraisals in the current California real estate market. TNG purchases the distressed, “as is” property from auction or from an REO agent and spends time and money upgrading the property. If TNG gets multiple offers, why isn’t it considered market value?
Joseph says competent appraisers will say that that does create market value. Submitting those back up offers could really help force the appraisers make that market adjustment.
Bruce asks if there is no similar inventory, what should investors do? Joseph says hire someone with specific experience with an MAI or SRA designation. Bruce talks about an area in Moreno Valley and the glut of vacant REO and “as is” inventory. When TNG fixes something, the appraiser is typically not getting cooperation because there is no similar substitutions in the market. We’re the only fixed up property.
Bruce talks about the appraisal business in 2004-2005 and how they were feeling pressure to get to a certain high number for refinances. Bruce asks if there is now the opposite pressure from banks wanting to loan less thinking the value will continue to decline.
Joseph says lenders can make loans in a declining market at today’s value and shouldn’t feel like there’s excessive risk if there are the three C’s: collateral, capacity to pay, and credit rating. Joseph says he heard that appraisers were using foreclosure and short sales and these DO NOT make market value so are inappropriate. Liquidation value is a better term for these types of inventory.
Bruce brings up review appraisals and how the original appraisers are worried about coming in too high for fear of being blacklisted from doing work for a certain account if the numbers are adjusted. Bruce asks about the review appraisal process and what authority they have to adjust prices the way they do. Joseph says these review appraisals have to come up with their own opinion but to arbitrarily adjust a number up or down 10% without just cause would be a violation. Many times these reviewers are not following the same license laws the appraisers are required to follow. Appraisers could ask for the review appraiser to send to them the review but most probably won’t. They are entitled to a copy of the review appraisal.
Bruce asks if the review appraiser goes out into the field. Joseph says they often do the review behind a desk using AVM. This is not the same and is just an estimate. Joseph says many lenders might be looking for quick and cheap. Joseph says the lending institution or review company they pay does the review appraisal which is also causing a problem.
Bruce asks how difficult it is for appraisers to work in a market with such wide swings in price, sometimes monthly. Joseph says he doesn’t know how they work in states like California. He says only the best people should be doing these appraisals. People need to use a professional appraisers and not AVMs or BPOs.
Bruce asks if there are new rules for appraisals coming down the pike. Joseph say the Home Valuation Code of Conduct (HVCC) says any new loans that are purchased has to have an appraisal and any existing can be less than that. A borrower is also required to get a copy of the appraisal. Joseph said the use of management companies is causing a problem because they are keeping part of the fees that should go to the appraisers so they may be spending less time doing a proper job.
Joseph says an appraisal is typically good for six months but in this market, it’s not as relevant. Bruce asks about improvements on homes above and beyond like pools and upgraded hardscaping. In an inactive market, it’s very difficult to assign a value to these extras. An appraisal will have to try and find similar comps. In this type of market, it is possible for these extras to result in little extra value.
Bruce asks about “standard 3.” Joseph says they are 10 sets of rules that govern the appraisal industry. For more information, visit appraisalinstitute.org.
Joseph C. Magdziarz, MAI, SRA is the 2009 vice president of the Appraisal Institute. He will become the president elect in 2010 and president of the Appraisal Institute in 2011.
Magdziarz has been an active member of the Appraisal Institute for 38 years. He has served in a variety of capacities at all levels of the organization.
At the regional level, Magdziarz has served two terms as Regional Vice Chair and two terms as Region III Chair. He has also been a regional representative for many years. On the national level, Magdziarz served two terms on the Appraisal Institute’s National Board of Directors. He has served as Chair of the Education Committee for five years and has also chaired the National Audit Committee, Instructor and Faculty Committees, and Education and Publications Committees. In addition, he has served on a number of project teams. Presently, he is serving on the ADAPT (MAI demonstration report alternative) project team and the International Education and Designation project team.
Magdziarz has been President of Appraisal Research, Inc. in Rockford, Illinois for 38 years. He resides in Rockford, Illinois with his wife Sandra of 41 years and his bulldog Bella.
Magdziarz is an approved Appraisal Institute instructor for 26 courses in the Appraisal Institute’s QE, AE, CE, and USPAP curriculums. He has also had international assignments in Naples, Italy; Istanbul, Turkey; Seoul, South Korea; and Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai, China.
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Friday, March 20, 2009
Joseph Magdziarz of the Appraisal Institute #114
Bruce Norris is joined this week upcoming 2011 President of the National Appraisal Institute, Joseph Magdziarz.
Bruce starts by asking what the MAI designation means. MAI used to stand of “Member of the Appraisal Institute” but now means a members holds the highest professional designation for appraisers. The SRA designation is for residential appraisals and once again gives you the highest designation for that profession. These designations are given by mandated educations and experience.
In 1989, the FIRREA Act was passed. The FIRREA Act was put in place to create barriers to entry for those seeking to become professional appraisers and also to standardize the appraisal process. While it didn’t clean up the appraisal institute completely, it did put in place important systems. In 2008, the Appraisal Foundation brought education and review to a new level. This is still a work in process.
Joseph says on-the-job training is probably the most important aspect of a trainee becoming competent in the world of appraisals. Bruce asks what the stimulus was behind the FIRREA Act. Joseph tells him that at the time there was huge losses going on and lenders were able to hire whoever they wanted and they sometimes had no experience. This lack of experience was seen as a huge part of the problem during the S&L crisis.
Bruce talks about the current markets and asks if appraisers are taking some of the heat for the foreclosure problems. Joseph mentions the Appraisal Institute just got back from a Washington D.C. meeting with Congress and other groups in related industries. The Congressional Research Services gave them a copy of a report that was done on all the causes of the current crises. Out of 26 key areas that are listed as the cause of the real estate and mortgage backed securities issues, the appraiser world is not listed. Joseph says it’s good but it doesn’t mean the organization is perfect yet.
Bruce asks if Joseph sees legislative changes coming regardless of who is at fault for the current real estate crisis. Joseph says the Appraisal Institute’s president, Jim Amorin, is testifying before the Congressional Housing and Finance Committee speaking on the Housing Valuation Code of Conduct.
Bruce says in California foreclosures are a huge percentage of the for sale inventory. Often the process starts with a BPO. He asks is appraisers are part of that process. With BPOs, Joseph says there is not accountability and the requirements are different. Joseph says there are different motivations and that appraisers are required to remain unbiased.
Bruce asks how Realtors and appraisers get along and if they typically agree on important issues. Joseph says the two groups differ greatly on the BPO issue and appraisers think Realtors and brokers should be held to the same standards when making real estate evaluations and appraisals. Many states have their own rules and regulations so the National Association of Realtors doesn’t have much control of this issue on a state level. There are 23 states that currently prohibit BPOs for lending purposes. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were unaware of this and called their management companies immediately and halted the practice in those states.
Bruce says a few years ago he was at a Five Star Conference and a lender was on the stage when a broker asked why she had never gotten a listing from the numerous BPO submittals she had put forward. The lender admitted to giving the listing to the highest BPO they received. Joseph says that doesn’t surprise him.
Bruce asks how much of a problem coercion is for appraisers. Joseph says it’s been a real problem lately and especially in states like California. There was recently a lawsuit about an appraiser getting blacklisted because he didn’t give a lender a certain price. The Home Valuation Code of Conduct should address this as a new hotline will be created so appraisals can report this when issues like coercion arise. Joseph says there could be a penalty if an appraiser was caught adjusting numbers or was influenced. The other side is not currently help accountable and that should change.
Bruce says he had read that appraisers may soon have to be bonded and asks how that would change the appraiser business. Joseph says it would be devastating to the business. This would raise an appraiser’s overhead $16,000 and that would be passed on to the customers. The lenders should be the one with the bond since they approve the loan.
Bruce talks about the cramdown in which a current appraisal is necessary. Joseph says it’s excellent for appraisers but it hasn’t passed it yet. Too many people did home valuation models and BPOs and not professionals appraisals. It would have helped. There is a downside to cramdowns so he’s waiting to see what happens.
Bruce asks about valuations models. Joseph says sometimes they are very good and sometimes they are really bad. Areas like San Diego where there are a huge amount of dissimilar properties in a neighborhood make these models less effective. AVM is a type of regression analysis reliant on historical data so it’s not always current. Sometimes these models aren’t updated for sometimes months. Bruce asks if this is the issue with review appraisers. Joseph says this is more of an opinion and not a real estimate. AVM stands for automation evaluation model.
Fannie and Freddie say they test and update their systems often but to not give details. Every time new data gets in the model changes. But once a downward trend starts, it will predict lower and lower numbers much like it did when the market was booming. It works best when markets are flatter.
Bruce asks Joseph what changes he would like to say in the business. Joseph would like to see more education and higher standard of competence for all appraisers.
Listen in next week as the interview continues. To read more on the Appraisal Institute, see appraisalinstitute.org.
Joseph C. Magdziarz, MAI, SRA is the 2009 vice president of the Appraisal Institute. He will become the president elect in 2010 and president of the Appraisal Institute in 2011.
Magdziarz has been an active member of the Appraisal Institute for 38 years. He has served in a variety of capacities at all levels of the organization.
At the regional level, Magdziarz has served two terms as Regional Vice Chair and two terms as Region III Chair. He has also been a regional representative for many years. On the national level, Magdziarz served two terms on the Appraisal Institute’s National Board of Directors. He has served as Chair of the Education Committee for five years and has also chaired the National Audit Committee, Instructor and Faculty Committees, and Education and Publications Committees. In addition, he has served on a number of project teams. Presently, he is serving on the ADAPT (MAI demonstration report alternative) project team and the International Education and Designation project team.
Magdziarz has been President of Appraisal Research, Inc. in Rockford, Illinois for 38 years. He resides in Rockford, Illinois with his wife Sandra of 41 years and his bulldog Bella.
Magdziarz is an approved Appraisal Institute instructor for 26 courses in the Appraisal Institute’s QE, AE, CE, and USPAP curriculums. He has also had international assignments in Naples, Italy; Istanbul, Turkey; Seoul, South Korea; and Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai, China.
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Bruce starts by asking what the MAI designation means. MAI used to stand of “Member of the Appraisal Institute” but now means a members holds the highest professional designation for appraisers. The SRA designation is for residential appraisals and once again gives you the highest designation for that profession. These designations are given by mandated educations and experience.
In 1989, the FIRREA Act was passed. The FIRREA Act was put in place to create barriers to entry for those seeking to become professional appraisers and also to standardize the appraisal process. While it didn’t clean up the appraisal institute completely, it did put in place important systems. In 2008, the Appraisal Foundation brought education and review to a new level. This is still a work in process.
Joseph says on-the-job training is probably the most important aspect of a trainee becoming competent in the world of appraisals. Bruce asks what the stimulus was behind the FIRREA Act. Joseph tells him that at the time there was huge losses going on and lenders were able to hire whoever they wanted and they sometimes had no experience. This lack of experience was seen as a huge part of the problem during the S&L crisis.
Bruce talks about the current markets and asks if appraisers are taking some of the heat for the foreclosure problems. Joseph mentions the Appraisal Institute just got back from a Washington D.C. meeting with Congress and other groups in related industries. The Congressional Research Services gave them a copy of a report that was done on all the causes of the current crises. Out of 26 key areas that are listed as the cause of the real estate and mortgage backed securities issues, the appraiser world is not listed. Joseph says it’s good but it doesn’t mean the organization is perfect yet.
Bruce asks if Joseph sees legislative changes coming regardless of who is at fault for the current real estate crisis. Joseph says the Appraisal Institute’s president, Jim Amorin, is testifying before the Congressional Housing and Finance Committee speaking on the Housing Valuation Code of Conduct.
Bruce says in California foreclosures are a huge percentage of the for sale inventory. Often the process starts with a BPO. He asks is appraisers are part of that process. With BPOs, Joseph says there is not accountability and the requirements are different. Joseph says there are different motivations and that appraisers are required to remain unbiased.
Bruce asks how Realtors and appraisers get along and if they typically agree on important issues. Joseph says the two groups differ greatly on the BPO issue and appraisers think Realtors and brokers should be held to the same standards when making real estate evaluations and appraisals. Many states have their own rules and regulations so the National Association of Realtors doesn’t have much control of this issue on a state level. There are 23 states that currently prohibit BPOs for lending purposes. Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac were unaware of this and called their management companies immediately and halted the practice in those states.
Bruce says a few years ago he was at a Five Star Conference and a lender was on the stage when a broker asked why she had never gotten a listing from the numerous BPO submittals she had put forward. The lender admitted to giving the listing to the highest BPO they received. Joseph says that doesn’t surprise him.
Bruce asks how much of a problem coercion is for appraisers. Joseph says it’s been a real problem lately and especially in states like California. There was recently a lawsuit about an appraiser getting blacklisted because he didn’t give a lender a certain price. The Home Valuation Code of Conduct should address this as a new hotline will be created so appraisals can report this when issues like coercion arise. Joseph says there could be a penalty if an appraiser was caught adjusting numbers or was influenced. The other side is not currently help accountable and that should change.
Bruce says he had read that appraisers may soon have to be bonded and asks how that would change the appraiser business. Joseph says it would be devastating to the business. This would raise an appraiser’s overhead $16,000 and that would be passed on to the customers. The lenders should be the one with the bond since they approve the loan.
Bruce talks about the cramdown in which a current appraisal is necessary. Joseph says it’s excellent for appraisers but it hasn’t passed it yet. Too many people did home valuation models and BPOs and not professionals appraisals. It would have helped. There is a downside to cramdowns so he’s waiting to see what happens.
Bruce asks about valuations models. Joseph says sometimes they are very good and sometimes they are really bad. Areas like San Diego where there are a huge amount of dissimilar properties in a neighborhood make these models less effective. AVM is a type of regression analysis reliant on historical data so it’s not always current. Sometimes these models aren’t updated for sometimes months. Bruce asks if this is the issue with review appraisers. Joseph says this is more of an opinion and not a real estimate. AVM stands for automation evaluation model.
Fannie and Freddie say they test and update their systems often but to not give details. Every time new data gets in the model changes. But once a downward trend starts, it will predict lower and lower numbers much like it did when the market was booming. It works best when markets are flatter.
Bruce asks Joseph what changes he would like to say in the business. Joseph would like to see more education and higher standard of competence for all appraisers.
Listen in next week as the interview continues. To read more on the Appraisal Institute, see appraisalinstitute.org.
Joseph C. Magdziarz, MAI, SRA is the 2009 vice president of the Appraisal Institute. He will become the president elect in 2010 and president of the Appraisal Institute in 2011.
Magdziarz has been an active member of the Appraisal Institute for 38 years. He has served in a variety of capacities at all levels of the organization.
At the regional level, Magdziarz has served two terms as Regional Vice Chair and two terms as Region III Chair. He has also been a regional representative for many years. On the national level, Magdziarz served two terms on the Appraisal Institute’s National Board of Directors. He has served as Chair of the Education Committee for five years and has also chaired the National Audit Committee, Instructor and Faculty Committees, and Education and Publications Committees. In addition, he has served on a number of project teams. Presently, he is serving on the ADAPT (MAI demonstration report alternative) project team and the International Education and Designation project team.
Magdziarz has been President of Appraisal Research, Inc. in Rockford, Illinois for 38 years. He resides in Rockford, Illinois with his wife Sandra of 41 years and his bulldog Bella.
Magdziarz is an approved Appraisal Institute instructor for 26 courses in the Appraisal Institute’s QE, AE, CE, and USPAP curriculums. He has also had international assignments in Naples, Italy; Istanbul, Turkey; Seoul, South Korea; and Beijing, Tianjin, and Shanghai, China.
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